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Post by Aaron on Jan 29, 2005 9:55:17 GMT 12
OK so before we start I should let you know I dont try and design armies that are all powerful conquer everything with all those wargear items of killing everything on the battlefield armies. All I can tell you is what I think of when designing an army.
Really you need to answer these questions:
Why did you choose Chaos?
Do you like Close combat, ranged combat, infantry, big guns, REALLY big guns, daemons?
Do you want to ally with a god or be undivided?
Cause once you know how you want to play the game you can get an idea of what the core of your force should be
e.g. you like close combat and want to be allied with a god probably your first 2 choices would be Bezerkers (if you lord has the mark of Khorne then they count as core troops). now they aren't that mobile, so maybe you want a transport (besides building tanks is fun!). SO you've got one flank of Ravening bezerkers charging along. Now you need some range support to keep the enemies heads down while the bezerkers get there, a full squad of Tactical marines + havocs would do that. At that point youve probably got a 1000 pt army.
Once you've used this a few times you can figure out how you keep getting beaten. So maybe you need some raptors for extra speed, or add some Daemons to your bezerkers for extra nasty CC.
Do you get the idea? Pick what your focus is then patch up its weaknesses.
Heres a few items I think should appear in any army.
Something with Tank busting potential ie heavy weapons squad/Predator Annihilator.
Something quick to take out the enemies tank busters, Raptors/Bikers.
something hard to take and hold objectives. Tactical troops + transport/Bikers.
Im personally quite Defensive in my approach my usual army would go something like this.
2 X 10 CSM with bolters.
1 X Havocs 2*Missile 2*Heavy Bolter
5 Termies
Predator/Dreadnought + Lascanon
From my experiences I know Im in desperate need of something with some speed but I haven't played recently enough to have added anything. Possibly Bezerkers + Rhino or maybe Some Bikers, Ive used them in the past and they were very effective.
So, let me know what you think? Did that help at all?
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Post by PitYak Studios on Jan 29, 2005 9:57:48 GMT 12
This is great stuff, more posts like this please boys and girls.
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Post by KiwiRogue on Jan 29, 2005 10:40:40 GMT 12
i play Death Guard with my Chaos army, and you cant go past a all CCW dreadnought lol. add mutated hull and parasitic possession, and you have a real beast. if you get the bloodrage roll you get 8 attacks at str 10 ;D
for some reason marine players keep trying to shoot it down before i get to close lol
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Post by Abaddon on Jan 29, 2005 12:26:52 GMT 12
well ive got a black legion force i havent got all the models but ill post my army list
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Post by Abaddon on Jan 29, 2005 12:29:35 GMT 12
Army list 1506 points
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1 x Daemon prince
I Pts I Ws I Bs I S I T I W I i I A I Ld I Sv I
186 6 3 6 6 4 5 6 10 2+/5+
Weapons: 2x cc weapon
Wargear: spikey bits, terminator armour, mark of chaos undivided
Monsterous Creature:
Flying:
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1 x Defiler
I Pts I Ws I Bs I S I Front I Side I Rear I i I A I
150 2 4 8 12 12 10 4 2
Type: Walker Crew: bound daemon
Weapons: battle cannon, reaper autocannon and heavey flamer
Vehicle upgrade: Daemonic possession
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5 x Chaos space marines
I Pts I Ws I Bs I S I T I W I i I A I Ld I Sv I
138 4 4 4 4 1 4 1 9 3+
weapons: 4 x bolters, 1 x lascannon
wargear: mark of chaos undivided
1 x Aspiring Champion
I Pts I Ws I Bs I S I T I W I i I A I Ld I Sv I
- 4 4 4 4 1 4 3 10 3+
weapons: plasma pistol and power weapon
wargear: mark of chaos undivided
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4 x Chaos Havocs
I Pts I Ws I Bs I S I T I W I i I A I Ld I Sv I
173 4 4 4 4 1 4 1 9 3+
weapons: 1 x lascannon, 1 x autocannon, 1 x heavy bolter and 1 x plasma gun
wargear: mark of chaos undivided
1 x Aspiring Champion
I Pts I Ws I Bs I S I T I W I i I A I Ld I Sv I
- 4 4 4 4 1 4 2 10 3+
weapons: Bolter
wargear: mark of chaos undivided
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2 x Obliterators
I Pts I Ws I Bs I S I T I W I i I A I Ld I Sv I
140 4 4 5 5 2 4 2 9 2+/5+
weapons: lascannon, autocannon, missile launcher (frag only), heavy bolter, twin-linked plasma gun, twin-linked meltagun, flamer and power fist
Fearless:
Slow and Purposeful:
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7 x Khorne Bezerkers
I Pts I Ws I Bs I S I T I W I i I A I Ld I Sv I
192 4 4 4 4 1 4 3 9 3+
weapons: 7 x Khornate axes and 7 x Bolt pistols
wargear: mark of Khorne
Fearless:
Must charge:
Blood Frenzy:
1 x Aspiring Champion
I Pts I Ws I Bs I S I T I W I i I A I Ld I Sv I
- 4 4 4 4 1 4 4 10 3+
weapons: Power weapon and bolt pistol
wargear: mark of Khorne, Talisman of burning blood, Feel no pain and icon of khorne
Must charge:
Blood Frenzy:
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6 x Bloodletters
I Pts I Ws I Bs I S I T I W I i I A I Ld I Sv I
156 4 0 5 4 1 4 2 10 3+/5+
weapons: 6 x Hellblades
Must charge:
Summoned:
Instability:
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4 x Chaos space marine bikers
I Pts I Ws I Bs I S I T I W I i I A I Ld I Sv I
208 4 4 4 4(5) 1 4 2 9 3+
weapons: 2 x twin linked bolters, 2 x plasma gun, 4 x bolt pistol and 4 x cc weapons
wargear: mark of chaos undivided
Bikes:
1 x Aspiring Champion
I Pts I Ws I Bs I S I T I W I i I A I Ld I Sv I
- 4 4 4 4(5) 1 4 3 9 3+
weapons: twin linked bolter, bolt pistol and cc weapon
wargear: mark of chaos undivided
Bike:
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4 x Chaos Raptors
I Pts I Ws I Bs I S I T I W I i I A I Ld I Sv I
163 4 4 4 4 1 4 2 9 3+
weapons: 4 x bolt pistols and 4 x cc weapons
wargear: mark of chaos undivided
Jump packs:
Daemon Visage:
Hit and run:
1 x Aspiring Champion
I Pts I Ws I Bs I S I T I W I i I A I Ld I Sv I
- 4 4 4 4(5) 1 4 3 9 3+
weapons: bolt pistol and cc weapon
wargear: mark of chaos undivided
Jump pack:
Daemon Visage:
Hit and run:
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Post by Abaddon on Jan 29, 2005 12:33:26 GMT 12
aw sorry guy but looks like the no. have bunched up but if ya look closly ya can see whats what  sorry again, oh a kiwi rogue shouldnt ya dreadnought only get 7 attacks as bloodrage doubles your base attacks, so ya get 2x the base attacks then add the additional cc weapon bonus, and the 7 attacks are powerfist so strike last, not good if ya play agains carafexs or hive tyrants |
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Post by Aaron on Jan 29, 2005 16:45:38 GMT 12
OK, thats not bad.
Id like to see more basic troops to sort of develop a fire base. Something hard for people to focus their fire power on. I would probably sacrifice the Obliterators and boost the squad up to 8-10. I also think you might find your bezerkers will get shot up pretty bad running across the battle field. I think the new rules mean you can no longer charge out of a transport but a Rhino still moves twice as far as a model on foot I think.
I like the Bikers and the Raptors, there will be so much stuff heading accross the table you'll do alright but neither of them alone will really be able to deal with another CC squad. You'll probably need to combine one of those 2 units with you bezerkers to really do some damage.
I like the Defiler (expensive model to buy tho) and the Havocs are a good choice too.
I think all in all its a good list against defensive armies cause you'll be getting to them asap but you might struggle against the likes of Nids or Orcs which will probably be able to swamp under your Combat units.
Have you played any battles with this list? I know your supposed to have a fully painted accurate army but me and my mates use anything we have to get a game in.
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Post by Abaddon on Jan 29, 2005 16:52:34 GMT 12
yeah i guess i should rearrange the army a bit, whata ya think of my daemon prince, he's pretty much a killing machine and can stand against nearly anything, ive already bought 2x 8 men squads of troops a chaos lord and a defiler, the defiler is so worth it with 72" range str 8 ap 3 ordance blast off memory
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Post by Fatrix on Jan 29, 2005 16:53:34 GMT 12
did u get him off of that auction on TM?
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Post by Abaddon on Jan 29, 2005 16:55:13 GMT 12
get what off trademe?
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Post by Fatrix on Jan 29, 2005 16:57:10 GMT 12
Sorry, the defiler. There was one on sale on TM about a week ago.
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Post by Abaddon on Jan 29, 2005 17:00:45 GMT 12
na, my dad brought the stuff on an online store as a xmas present i told him what ta get, they still havent turned up
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Post by Aaron on Jan 29, 2005 17:10:13 GMT 12
Yeh he's certainly nasty enough. At T6 he's immune from instant death too I believe, cause that wouldn't be very much fun if he met a Lascanon blast on the first turn.
the most dissapointing thing about the previous Chaos codex was they had nothing which used an Ordancance template, well they fixed that nicely with the Defiler. and AP 3 means no armour save for Space marines! ;D
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Post by Abaddon on Jan 29, 2005 17:12:24 GMT 12
especially since ap3 can obliterate everything except the very best guy's ie terminators hq's etc
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Post by Abaddon on Jan 30, 2005 20:42:35 GMT 12
Hey aaron i think i might change my army ta death guard as they offer awesome defence and offence, whata you think
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sorry again, oh a kiwi rogue shouldnt ya dreadnought only get 7 attacks as bloodrage doubles your base attacks, so ya get 2x the base attacks then add the additional cc weapon bonus, and the 7 attacks are powerfist so strike last, not good if ya play agains carafexs or hive tyrants