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Post by Aaron on Feb 4, 2005 13:15:54 GMT 12
But depth? GW do figures for lotr, and the warhammers, and maybe others i'm not aware of. That's not depth. have a look at even some of the tiniest operators for a deeper range than that. OK Well here is a list of what I know GW currently Produces Mini’s For: Battlefleet gothic (space ships) (9 different Fleets) 28mm Warhammer Fantasy (heroic style of model) (14 Races + extras) Warhammer 40k (12 Races) LOTR (more realistic style) (3 Editions with say 15 different style of model each) Necromunda (14 Gangs + extras) Bloodbowl (11 teams + cheerleads & Star Players etc) Mordheim (15ish Warbands) 10mm (I think) Epic (sci-fi) 4 Races Warmaster (fantasy) (14 Races) 54mm (I think) Inquisitor (50ish models) Not to mention Forgeworld is a GW subsidiary so that adds those oddities into their range. Now I fail to see how that doesn’t indicate a depth of models, especially when you consider how much variety is available for each race. Of course we may have a different definition of the word "Depth" but to me it means ability to think I want a model like XXXX and be able to go and find it from this company. Of course there is some things the GW just doesn't produce to my knowledge (e.g. ancients or many civilians). This isn't regarding models but dont forget that there is also Warhammer ancients which they produce rules for |
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Post by Aaron on Feb 4, 2005 13:44:51 GMT 12
I don't think the fact that a multinational opened a shop here means they automaticaly deserve support; Its not the fact they opened a shop that means they deserve support. Also rethinking what I said nobody “deserves” support they have to earn it. How they earned my support was by being the driving force behind bringing my favourite hobby to a point I can get the things I want at the local toyshop. Or that I can discuss it on a forum based in NZ and have a whole range of people to talk to. I think its fair to say that this hobby without GW, would not be as advanced/popular as it currently is in NZ. You’re making a living out of that popularity, I am part of that popularity, both of us wouldn’t be here (this forum) at all without that popularity. You may not like them, you may not like the way they’ve done it but you must admit (or not) they have created this environment we are in now and that both of us are enjoying. Without them we may still be here but I don’t see how. |
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Post by Aaron on Feb 4, 2005 14:10:32 GMT 12
I have on my desk a card building from one of the warhammer.<cut>.there's no stairs inside or out. Functional? I think not. What I believe you are talking about is a small grey watchtower that came out in the previous release of WHFB. You are absolutely right! That is exactly what I meant when I referred to a piece of terrain that does nothing more than block line of sight and is just a lump on the battlefield. BUT if you check what kind of terrain GW is now releasing with the boxed set of WHFB it is a ruined building with a door way, 2 floors (Ive got a ladder but I cant remember if that came with that game) & windows you can see through. It looks significantly better than that card tower and it is equally functional. I think perhaps we must accept that what is un-acceptable to one person is the perfect piece of terrain for another. That and some people are rather self-focused and think the world revolves around them, if something doesn’t suit them it must be wrong. Which of course is not true, one mans trash is another mans Bits Box…<br> Being told what to do is not something anyone <cut> exercise non-existant authority over us lesser mortals who merely ensure they're continued existence.] No we don’t have to accept it, but don’t you think that person/company has the right to try and do what they think best to protect their own interests? Now we can go down this road if you want (could lead to some fascinating debate on basic human rights) but if so lets do it another thread. OK well doing these posts seperate has got my level up a bit  but Im not really sure what topic we are on anymore.  Please reiterate anything you'd like to continue discussing |
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Post by PitYak Studios on Feb 4, 2005 16:46:54 GMT 12
Nah, i've had enough of this too, beyond saying bloodbowl figures aren't that much different to warhammer; necromunda + inquisitor not so different to 40k, as is epic but obviously different scale. Mordehiem i've no idea about, so I'll take your word on that, and battlefleet gothic wasn't that a spin off of 40K? whether it is or not I wouldn't call them minis, but I guess some would. The larger and smaller stuff seems to be just the regular stuff in different scales to me, and without considering the lotr stuff, you can pretty much look at any mini and go "yep, that's a citadel". And there's not much difference between a regular orc and a 40k orc (aprt from the guns, or elves/eldar dwarves, ogres, ratlings (do they still do them?)/halflings?
I think what you are getting at is it's a massive range, but not what I would call deep. you're not going to find much beyond the warhammer offshoots, like you're knackered if you want anything historical or modern, which covers a fair wack. Even citadel themselves had a much better variety in the past. Around the time I talk about in my post about WD/gw/warhammer, they would do all kinds then, before they consolidated into the range they do now. I'd be surprised if they still do a chaos lavatory (seriously) or insanity clause, or even thrud the barbarian, who was their flagship figure. (as an aside, did you know they sold lotr figures 20 year ago - not based on the films obviously)
I hope you at least have a look at foundry to see what I'm getting at, for their free rules, backstory docs and a mind numbing variety of minis
Good discussion, I hope we've got people thinking, which is all I want.
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Post by Aaron on Feb 5, 2005 8:32:48 GMT 12
Even citadel themselves had a much better variety in the past. That was probably when they were still independent before they were aquired by GW and turned into the Warhammer manufacturing plant. Well I hate for anyone to think Im closed minded (bloody minded is ok!). I was actually browsing wargames foundry last night and (to be perfectly honest) went HOLY HELL look at them all... OOOH Pirates, gotta check out the pirates... damn I could get that lot and some of those... lay my hands on a model ship... YEAH!!.... WILD WEST!!! lets hava look at those... hmm rules... ok different, might work, interesting... FREE I wasn't trying to say GW was the be-all and end-all of miniatures or wargames (well I was but your opinion isn't gonna change anymore than mine so now I'm gonna change my story  ) just that for a single company they seem to have done more for wargaming in NZ than anybody else. I think having looked at JUST foundry I understand what you mean by depth better, but then looking at the 2 ranges (GW & Foundry) they seem to be more complimentary than opposing. You couldn't field a GW army based on Foundry models (from my quick look I might be wrong) any more than a historical army based on GW models. well you could but it would be difficult. I still think you are underestimating the variety available at GW, yes they are all aimed at one of their "worlds" so they share a certain style but with the range available you could create any thing you wanted, they would just all have that "citadel feel" Dammit Im trying to tie up the conversation but I keep trying to make points  Oh well, its been fun. I had flashbacks to university turorials back there (no we didn't discuss warhammer but in the manner of the conversation). Somehow I think its my views that have been changed out of this rather than yours but as they say we are supposed to pay attention to our elders |
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Post by PitYak Studios on Feb 5, 2005 9:06:45 GMT 12
THAT would be a course that would get me back to university! Foundry are awesome, eh? But I think they may be even more expensive than Gw |
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but Im not really sure what topic we are on anymore. 
) just that for a single company they seem to have done more for wargaming in NZ than anybody else.