G-nome
Ambitious Upstart
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Hills
Feb 2, 2005 21:04:02 GMT 12
Post by G-nome on Feb 2, 2005 21:04:02 GMT 12
Nothing over 100 m really. I'd have to play outside.
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Hills
Feb 3, 2005 9:48:53 GMT 12
Post by Aaron on Feb 3, 2005 9:48:53 GMT 12
Lets see any mixture of 10-45cm*10-45cm. 1-3 layers each step between 1-2cm. Anything in that range would be useable from a small mound to a big plateau but mostly the middle values would be a “normal” hill that I would use.
Personally I find stepped hills much better for gaming as you can stand the models more comfortably on the hill side. Unless they’re in a movement tray in which case sloped hills are easier (but we still have to build little dice towers to hold up the corners).
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Hills
Feb 3, 2005 22:51:53 GMT 12
Post by PitYak Studios on Feb 3, 2005 22:51:53 GMT 12
Does the height / angle of the sloping sections matter?
And I'm assuming you would have both passable and impassable hills or cliffs?
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Hills
Feb 4, 2005 8:04:37 GMT 12
Post by Aaron on Feb 4, 2005 8:04:37 GMT 12
Uh kinda 3 types of hill/hillside Normal, steep and impassable (cliffs).
The height between levels doesn't matter, just kinda judge it on what scale you are aiming towards and if you want a normal or steep hill I guess. I think it looks good if when you rank up the models on each step the top half of the 2nd rank show above the lower rank, but thats just me.
The couple of hills Ive built (1 Polystyrene 1 Wood) have steps about 3/4-1 inch which works well for GW (28mm ish?) size models.
If your making stepped hills then the slope doesn't matter cause it wont actually be used for models if you making a sloped hill then probably an angel of 25-30degrees would be about right. So that about 50% of models you try will stand on the slope. Thats what Ive found with commercial hills (Who would buy a hill?! my impulse buying friend with FAR FAR too much money!) but if you could get a good slope with a better success rate that would be good... theres nothing more terrify than a unit in a movement tray propped up by dice towers.
Ever thought about making movement trays? I think they would be pretty easy but they are basically essential to a lot of games... Im not sure what they sell for tho.
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Hills
Feb 4, 2005 8:16:54 GMT 12
Post by PitYak Studios on Feb 4, 2005 8:16:54 GMT 12
I have thought about trays, I understand Gw only do 1 size?
Rather than use up a whole buch of expensive resin to cast a a flat ray, I thought maybe just selling the edges in different styles and lengths, so the customer can attach them to a piece of plastic or board or whatever. What do you think of that idea?
The problem I see with hills is anyone can make one, so either I have to make them really good, but then who is going to pay, or make them really cheaply, and then who is going to want them? Still something I'm investigating though.
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Hills
Feb 4, 2005 10:12:20 GMT 12
Post by Aaron on Feb 4, 2005 10:12:20 GMT 12
Yeh hills are a problem for retailing, normally the first thing people try to make I would imagine.
GW sell 2 sizes a full tray(infantry) and a half tray(cavalry) both of which are pretty useless.
probably if you provided custom sizes you'd get some demand (bearing in mind the 2 most popular games 40k and LOTR dont use them).
I think avoiding resin for the tray is a very good idea, is it possible to buy 2mm plastic-card. You could then chop out the sizes and glue on the edges. (which wouldn't even need to be resin unless its the easiest/cheapest thing for you)
I think you would do a better trade with the finished trays but you can always test the water with both and see what works.
I personally wouldn't buy an edge as it still leaves too much work for me to do ;D
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Pirate Wench
Scalpel supremo
my favourite finger paint is strawberry flavour
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Hills
Feb 4, 2005 10:27:46 GMT 12
Post by Pirate Wench on Feb 4, 2005 10:27:46 GMT 12
I've seen trays made from sheet metal, and the figures have magnets stuck to the bases. you know that sheet magnet stuff that advertising fridge magnets are made from. sounded like a great idea to me to stop all the figures falling off
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Hills
Feb 4, 2005 10:51:31 GMT 12
Post by PitYak Studios on Feb 4, 2005 10:51:31 GMT 12
They are a good idea, but it's not economical for me do magnetic bases. i would suggest anyone who wants to make their own goes the magnet route though. I've also used double sided tape in the past; not the best, and doesn't last for ever, but cheap enough.
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Pirate Wench
Scalpel supremo
my favourite finger paint is strawberry flavour
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Hills
Feb 4, 2005 11:18:35 GMT 12
Post by Pirate Wench on Feb 4, 2005 11:18:35 GMT 12
but you could make the movement trays out of metal and include instructions on how to magnetise the minis. The trays are still useful without magnets, but have that extra useability if you add magnets to al your stuff.
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G-nome
Ambitious Upstart
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Hills
Feb 4, 2005 18:05:32 GMT 12
Post by G-nome on Feb 4, 2005 18:05:32 GMT 12
I like the idea of the movement tray edges on a plastic or metal sheet. Moulded edges with some kind of texture on them like the bases you do would be pretty cool. Like rocks or erm......stuff. You're the creative one you come up with something hehe
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Abaddon
Putty pusher
Bringer of Chaos
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Hills
Feb 4, 2005 18:51:13 GMT 12
Post by Abaddon on Feb 4, 2005 18:51:13 GMT 12
well i'd need a hill say 40cm width at the base variable heights up to 10 - 20 cm with 40 degrees or less slope
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Hills
Feb 4, 2005 19:46:57 GMT 12
Post by PitYak Studios on Feb 4, 2005 19:46:57 GMT 12
I like the idea of the movement tray edges on a plastic or metal sheet. Moulded edges with some kind of texture on them like the bases you do would be pretty cool. Like rocks or erm......stuff. You're the creative one you come up with something hehe ...exactly what I had in mind.
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