Ice Raven Army Lists

[Abaddon]

hey guys i just wanna know if you guys have any input for some of my lists so far ive got 750 points, and the list to match, ive got a plan for my 1200 point force and the list and wondered wat you guys think.

750:

1 Codicier (HQ) @ 135 Pts
Force Weapon; Storm Bolter
Terminator Armour [25]
#Psychic Hood [0]
#Fear of Darkness [5]

6 Tactical Squad (Troops) @ 171 Pts
Bolter (x5); Plasma Gun (x1); Infilitrate Skill

1 Veteran Sergeant @ [53] Pts
Lightning Claw; Storm Bolter; Infilitrate Skill

6 Tactical Squad (Troops) @ 166 Pts
Bolter & CCW (x5); Plasma Gun (x1); True Grit Skill; Counter Attack Skill

1 Veteran Sergeant @ [48] Pts
Bolter & CCW; Power Fist (x1); True Grit Skill; Counter Attack Skill

4 Assault Squad (Fast Attack) @ 145 Pts
Bolt Pistol & CCWep. (x2); Plasma P. & CC Wep. (x2); Close Combat Weapon;
Frag Grenades; Jump Packs

1 Veteran Sergeant @ [47] Pts
Frag Grenades; Jump Packs; Bolt Pistol (x1); Power Weapon (x1)

1 Dreadnought (Elites) @ 135 Pts
Front Armour: 12; Side Armour: 12; Rear Armour: 10; Missile Launcher; Twin
Lascannon

Models in Army: 21


Total Army Cost: 752



1200:

1 Codicier (HQ) @ 135 Pts
Force Weapon; Storm Bolter
Terminator Armour [25]
#Psychic Hood [0]
#Fear of Darkness [5]

9 Tactical Squad (Troops) @ 235 Pts
Bolter (x7); Multi-Melta (x1); Plasma Gun (x1); Infilitrate Skill

1 Veteran Sergeant @ [53] Pts
Lightning Claw; Storm Bolter; Infilitrate Skill

9 Tactical Squad (Troops) @ 225 Pts
Bolter & CCW (x7); Heavy Bolter (x1); Plasma Gun (x1); True Grit Skill;
Counter Attack Skill

1 Veteran Sergeant @ [48] Pts
Bolter & CCW; Power Fist (x1); True Grit Skill; Counter Attack Skill

4 Assault Squad (Fast Attack) @ 145 Pts
Bolt Pistol & CCWep. (x2); Plasma P. & CC Wep. (x2); Close Combat Weapon;
Frag Grenades; Jump Packs

1 Veteran Sergeant @ [47] Pts
Frag Grenades; Jump Packs; Bolt Pistol (x1); Power Weapon (x1)

1 Dreadnought (Elites) @ 135 Pts
Front Armour: 12; Side Armour: 12; Rear Armour: 10; Missile Launcher; Twin
Lascannon

1 Whirlwind Battery (Heavy Support) @ 85 Pts
Vengence Missiles

4 Terminator Squad (Elites) @ 240 Pts
Power Fist (x4); Storm Bolter (x2); Assault Cannon (x2)

1 Sergeant @ [40] Pts
Power Weapon; Storm Bolter
#Terminator Armour [0]

Models in Army: 33


Total Army Cost: 1200

[burbsee]

sounds good to me(but that does not count for much).you like the veteran seargeants a lot though ?i do not really go there becuase they tend to be exspensive you have 3 which comes to 148 points i would rather get another tactical squad(9)for that but thats only my opinion and that does not mean much.let us know how it preforms-if you want you can have a look at my army list in "my ultramarines"

[Abaddon]

i like the veterens to boost my squads ld and cc abilitys, theres nothing worse than two marine squads clashing and no one having power weapons etc, your turn 8 hits 4 wounds 1 dead, there turn 7 hits 4 wounds 1 dead, and eventually as the numbers deplete the deaths become fewer, my veteran in one game had his squad destroyed but passed tests and went off and stormed into a imperial guard regiments for 2 turns

[burbsee]

abaddon said:

i like the veterens to boost my squads ld and cc abilitys, theres nothing worse than two marine squads clashing and no one having power weapons etc, your turn 8 hits 4 wounds 1 dead, there turn 7 hits 4 wounds 1 dead, and eventually as the numbers deplete the deaths become fewer, my veteran in one game had his squad destroyed but passed tests and went off and stormed into a imperial guard regiments for 2 turns

ohhh tell me about!!

i do see why people go for them-its just not me i prefer the stand back and shoot(woosy approach )

[Abaddon]

lol its not the woosy approach its very good approach but the cold hard fact is even tho ther unit is designed for shooting doesnt mean that it wont be in cc, like devastors id give a devastors a veteran with p weapon cause people like to tie that type of unit up

[burbsee]

hmm you sound like you know what your talking abot a lot better than i do!i would never ever do that but now that you mention it it is a smart thing to do!i have to rethink the way i plan
my armies

[Abaddon]

well if ya need any help, ill help, i tend to just try opitimise each unit, make sure that its a got a purpose and that its prepared for other surprises all while keeping it a reasonable cost so that it can make up its cost by killing more or equal amount of the unit, or at least serve its purpose

[burbsee]

hey what does furious charge and true grit do oh and counter attack??and at what points cost??i have used tank hunter before on twin linked lascannon dread but that is it

[Abaddon]

furious charge give +1 str and +1 int on the charge, true grit allows you to count your bolter as having pistol grip so effectively count them as having 2 cc weapons giving +1 attack, the down side is you dont get +1 attack for charging as it's to hard to wield ya bolter one handed and hurl yourself at the enemy. counterattack allows you to get a 6" pile in move (i think) when charged so they can get there full number of attacks. the costs for true grit and counterattack is 3 pts per model and furious charge is 3 pts per model. ya can take those sorta things using army traits. are you familiar with them?

[burbsee]

yes i am familiar with traits i was goign to use them but then ultramarines are the base of space marines and do not vary from the teachings.

[MongrelFish]

Hmmm has your list changed since I last saw it Kurt? Looks solid, like you said it optimises each unit's potential. I see you're not taking a commander in it though - what happened to him?

Looks good, now get it painted and on the battlefield - it'll give my Word Bearers something to kill

[burbsee]

abaddon said:

. ya can take those sorta things using army traits. are you familiar with them?

you have too use army traits right??so do you think i can get away with giving my ultramarines traits i just want to use the true grit skill on two tactical squads?

[MongrelFish]

UMs cant take traits at all, as they're completely devoted to the Codex and won't suffer other teachings. Therefore, you cant take traits with UMs, only chapters of legend (Imperial/Crimson Fists, Raven guard, etc) or DIY chapters.

[burbsee]

oh stink maybe i will change my army as i only have a couple completly painted marines and 1 rhino.i have always wanted to do a diy army but i have an addiction to ultramarines as well eventually i hope to do the both of them.i am hopeless when it comes to coming up with a background and a name though and something i would do is give it a really easy paint scheme.o well thanks for letting me know.l